Like I Was Saying....

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  1. Thegrio's statement only works if you completely ignore white people. White people never have to be anything other than white to get ahead.

    But yeah, most people in the know are aware that for many being "black" or "Puerto Rican" implies a history of people mixing, some of that by force.

    So I get why people would be criticizing her by not just saying she's black. And I know her mom's creole, so she can claim that heritage. But I don't know when being creole has ever affected her marketing when she was in Destiny's Child.

    I guess if she wants to get big in this world and stay big she's got to portray herself as anything but black. I'm just upset no one sees what's wrong with this preference for ambiguity or wanting to don stereotypically white guises to fit in and succeed. I mean, one wonders what goes on in people's minds after so much saturation of these images.

    No wonder kids prefer the white dolls.

    And it's not like someone with the exact same heritage is even going to look like her. So what's the point of marketing makeup for a multiracial crowd if it's based on this idea that everyone of that background is going to look the same? There are tons of Puerto Ricans that don't look like JLO or have her skin tone.

    I get upset when people think it's okay and think that a preference for "whitewashed" pocs is progress or something. It never affects white people, they still get to remain at the top.

    I figure someday pocs may not even exist b/c we'll have bleached ourselves out of existence, or died trying, become genetically altered so that we no longer grow "textured" hair or have dark eyes and distinct noses and legs and asses. When these means become available we'll be forced to do this by virtue of cultural hegemony. I mean, why wouldn't you want to "improve" yourself or look "decent" or "pretty" when the means to do so are available?

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    1. I'm just upset no one sees what's wrong with this preference for ambiguity

      Like I was saying....

      I figure someday pocs may not even exist b/c we'll have bleached ourselves out of existence, or died trying, become genetically altered so that we no longer grow "textured" hair or have dark eyes and distinct noses and legs and asses.

      *snorts* Not gonna happen.

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    2. You're probably right. I'm just very paranoid. I haven't experienced enough to know that this shit won't come to pass.

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    3. QueenofSheba2/11/12, 7:26 PM

      "I guess if she wants to get big in this world and stay big she's got to portray herself as anything but black."

      Actually this belief is complete and utter B.S. Low self esteem blacks of which Beyonce is clearly a member, feel worthless and project it all on their race and then simply want to identify as any thing else.
      Didn't she actually state that she wished that she was hispanic in one interview? Yet her success came from the support of the black community. We're the ones that made her a star and now she's happy to throw all those adoring black female fans under the bus.

      Why didn't she identify as a creole when she was starting out? I'll tell you why, because without black support she'd be nothing. The so called multiracial community(?) wouldn't have made her a star and guess what? It's her identity as a black woman that sold her to her international audience not some phantom french slaveowner ancestor.

      Urgh, I'll stop harping on about her now, it's just that Beyonce's self hating ass gets on my last nerve.

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    4. Yet her success came from the support of the black community. We're the ones that made her a star and now she's happy to throw all those adoring black female fans under the bus.

      Why didn't she identify as a creole when she was starting out? I'll tell you why, because without black support she'd be nothing.


      This seriously wears thin. All this black public figures - from Michael Jackson (may he RIP), to Tiger Woods, Taye Diggs, Tyrese, and now Beyonce - all expect black people to support them no matter what. We're not only expected to there to jump start their careers, defend them against white racism, but we're also supposed to be willing to stand in front of the bus (not get thrown) and be run over.

      Meanwhile, our money's not good enough for them. Our love and our support isn't their greatest goal. Like I was saying on my Osiris post, these black artists seek the vaunted "crossover" - they want white people's money, white people's approval, and white people's long-term support. All of this, of course, comes at a price. MJ's later albums all paled in comparison (pun intended) to Thriller, Off the Wall, and the work he did in the Jackson Five (with his big nose, dark skin, and giant afro). Tiger Woods wanted to drown himself in white women - and drown he did. And last but not least, I haven't been impressed with Bey's music for a while. The whiter she became, the blander her music. When I watched her god awful movie "Obsession" and saw her knocking the shit out of Ali Larter, I had to wonder, "Are you beating the tar out of her because of your characters, or are you relishing this ass-kicking because she has the face, hair, and body you've not-so-secretly always wanted?"

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    5. QueenofSheba2/12/12, 10:15 AM

      Ankh, you literally took the words right out of my mouth!
      When will these people learn? It's your BLACKNESS that made you a star!!! Yes, that's right, your BLACK swag, energy, beauty, culture and starpower, cos black people are forces of nature!! lol.

      You already have it all, so no need to sell yourself and your race down the river for a few extra dollars.

      Oh and your right again Ankh, cos we need to add career to that list of things being sold down the river, cos once they lose the blackness that actually gave them that edge, time and time again it's been shown to be downhill all the way from there!

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  2. I shouldn't be shocked and yet.......

    The writing on the wall for me was when you posted that pic of Beyonce and I thought it was an ad for a new Britney Spears album. In no fucking universe should I EVER mistake Britney Spears for Beyonce.

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    1. Leoprincess2/11/12, 3:18 PM

      Oh, so it wasn't just me!

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    2. Nope, I thought the same thing too.

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    3. Definitely not just you. There was a pic going around with her all ragged looking with platinum hair and I seriously thought it was KeSha until I read the actual article.

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    4. I thought it was Shakira.

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    5. Leoprincess2/12/12, 1:21 PM

      @Jean-bee - I thought it was Shakira AFTER I thought it was Britney! How sad is that?

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  3. Why is the media so obsessed with whitening Beyonce anyway? Why do people pretend that her light-skinned "Creole" mother is not a black woman?

    Louisiana's racial history has elements that are more common in a place like Brazil, where there are lots of different names to refer to people's phenotype and genotype, but being "Creole" is much more about a shared heritage/culture than what people like to paint it as, as in, "not black." There isn't anything magical or special about Beyonce's background but there seem to be a lot of people invested in making it seem as if she is less black than the rest of us?

    Is it so that they feel better about worshipping her and her supposedly unparalleled beauty?

    However, so odd how often her skin is lightened and she wears her best blond wigs for these ad campagins as opposed to the two-toned brown/blond ones that seem to be her stand-bys.

    I've heard her dad say some really effed up things about skin color though (he's from Bama like my parents) so maybe I should not be surprised.

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    1. I agree her father is color struck big-time, so I'm not surprised by that Ad in the clip above. This is going to back fire big time.

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    2. I thought she fired him. But it must be horrible for a family member to say something about your SKIN COLOR(and where does he think she got that skin color? The moon?)

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    3. Um, he didn't say anything about her skin color, other than to maybe say she looked the right way to cross-over. And without knowing who else he dated, I'd be loath to say he picked her mom b/c of her color, but it would not be surprising (his baby mamma was not super light-skinned but she was much younger). And she only fired him recently, and she didn't say why but I felt her parents issues might have been more the reason. He always promoted the hell out of her in relation to the rest of the group, and always promoted the idea that she was the star.

      So the color comment actually had to do with one of the two girls chosen to replace Latoya Luckett and Latavia Roberson. One of the girls added who was quickly dismissed was fair-skinned and had green eyes and long hair that was real, and after she got booted too, she said that he's told her that she was actually too light and I think wanted her to wear bronzer on her face, but at the time, my friends and I totally felt it was more a case of the fact that he wanted Beyonce to be the "light-skinned and pretty" one and didn't want this other girl stealing her thunder. I think that girl only got to be in two videos and then it became Beyonce, Kelly, and Michelle. Oh, but I saw HIM interview and repeat something similar that confirmed the girl's story, which I'm sure people would have otherwise dismissed as sour grapes. He always promoted Beyonce at the expense of the others, and I think he was a black man who believed that her color would make her a star (neglecting the talented black singers who were also known for their looks but weren't light).

      Like I said, he's from Alabama and hear similar comments about hair in my family, but until you get to the extended family. I don't want to stereotype and colorism exists all over the place but maybe it's just that some people only live it, and others live it and speak it.

      The myth/idea of her being this barely black thing is so funny to me b/c she just isn't that light but the white-washing and the photoshopping (b/c in some of those ads, they are straightening her already surgically tweaked nose) is laughable.

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    4. the ex member said they made her tan so that she would be darker than Bey

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  4. Ohh, what did Matthew Knowles say? I've heard tale of them keeping Beyonce out of the sun to keep her light and bright.

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    1. Hopefully you saw my response above, but I'm not surprised b/c I really did always feel that he wanted to promote her as this barely black goddess, and I have to wonder about why she is NEVER out and about without one of those blasted wigs. Even when "lounging" that chick is wearing someone else's hair. I joked that she probably had a special birthing wig made for the hospital stay.

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    2. LMAO Birthing wig. She never takes that lacefront off.

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    3. yeah she made sure her wig was fresh for them hospital photos

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  5. *rubs temples* I'm so sick of this shit.

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  6. I was really confused and taken aback by the very fact that L'OREAL even went with a racial makeup/heritage marketing strategy. The campaign itself is pretty stupid considering that the color of a person's skin is not the greatest indicator of a person's heritage. Then they make they involve Beyonce.How dumb is that ? I mean making the same choice of trying to make the same very famous spokesperson more racially ambiguous/less black is either incredibly stupid or it's deliberate. They know by now to expect that people will be pissed. Maybe they're trying on purpose to alienate black customers? That would make perfect sense given their history of discrimination. If that's the case I wish they would just own up to it instead of using a Black (she is) woman as spokesperson,and then try to tell the world she's not black. In the end it really is not about us. It's them, they need black money so they hire a black celebrity to endorse it,but are desperately trying to convince themselves that she is worthy of being an exception to their racism because she's "not too black". That seems like a pretty bitch ass move. Have the courage to stand by your convictions and live with the consequences or change.If you don't want to market to black people stop using them in your marketing campaigns.

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    1. Well, you know, white people are in deep denial about why Black Americans (and blacks in the Western Hemisphere) look the multitude of ways that they do.

      So they kind of like to pretend that everyone except Beyonce, Halle Berry, and a few others are "pure blooded," and they INSIST on making Tyra Banks and Vanessa Williams "mulattas" b/c clearly their green or hazel eyes means that they aren't as black as the rest of us. They will argue you for days that these two don't have two black parents each (as they both do).

      And they do in fact believe that you can divine someone's heritage based on skin color and I wish someone would explain the term "polygenic" to everyone b/c that's why anyone can get so many kinds of skin and hair based on centuries of genes passed down to them.

      I think I only saw that train wreck commercial once but it does buy into their need to make any black person that they actually admire "less black." Do you think they argue for people that wind up doing badly in life? No, they only do the "white lady with a tan" or "he's as much black as white" for people that they are hot for b/c they can't acknowledge actually liking someone that is "really black."

      And don't get me started on the way that they like to read our features, yet they are really bad at it. (You know, Zoe Saldana and her super "European" features, which even if it was true, is falacious since people on the African continent are very diverse in their facial features, body types, skin colors, etc)...

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    2. I've noticed that in commercials when they cast for black families the siblings are usually the same color. Which is not accurate, it is pretty common for siblings to be different colors. A friend of mine is one of 5 girls, each of them look a like but they are all different colors.

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  7. If they're going to say she's Native American, then at least name the tribe as well...

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    1. Word. Natives gotta show their papers and prove their heritage, however unfavorable the system is for them, so people shouldn't act like wanna-bes all the damn time. If you're native prove it. People should recognize one of your relatives at least. And don't make like your great great granny was a princess. Everybody wants to say they're descended from royalty and that's a load of BS.

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    2. This is really funny coz I was watching African American Lives on youtube by Henry Louis Gates were he traces Black celebs roots back to slavery and does all sorts of DNA tests to pin point which tribe they belonged to which is really interesting.

      Anywhoo, when they were doing the racial admixture test and most of them had stories from their parents or grandparents about some distant Native American ancestor and almost all of the Celebs had none. Don Cheadle's ancestors were owned by one of the 'civilized' tribes.

      Although Mae Jemison, found out she had Asian though Chinese laborers that married Black women back in the day.

      Henry Gates asked the celebs where did the myth originate from. And Chris Rock said "it sounds a lot better than saying our foremothers got raped a few times"

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    3. I'd read the part about Mae Jemison and the only reason it surprised me was because she was from Alabama, and I normally assumed that Black/Chinese couples occurred in Jamaica or other places that had a high Chinese population in the 19th and early 20th century. So it was interesting to say the least.

      I love Chris Rock's quip, although I still hate "Good Hair."

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  8. I watched the video and the guy who commented saying the whole thing is a petty issue reminded me about what you talked about in the Whitening Uhura post. If Beyonce's race is such a non-issue, why was it necessary to find every single non-black ancestor she had? Why is it petty to just call her black but not petty to list all these different races for the women?

    And the way they marketed JLo makes it even more obvious. She gets to be Puerto Rican but Beyonce can't be 100% American? That right there should tell everyone that people are obsessed with dissecting the racial makeup of black women they find attractive because they just cannot accept that black women can be attractive without mixing.

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    1. THIS. The people who call such issues "petty", never even consider why they felt the need to do [whatever it is they did thistime]. They're most likely guilty of whatever is being complained about, wich is why they get oh so offended. just look at the comments for the Shit White Girls Say To Black Girls.

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    2. There is a great line in "Shit White Girls Say to Brown (Desi) Girls" that totally applies to this phenomenon.

      In one of the clips, the girl in the video says "Oh my gosh, Aishwarya Rai is SO gorgeous, she doesn't even LOOK Indian."

      And that is pretty much what is said about every attractive black woman as you so aptly put it.

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    3. This reminds me of a post I did on Keanu Reeves and Russell Wong on the Blasian Narrative.

      There's this idea that if someone who is clearly POC is attractive, it's due to possible white ancestry (Wong). When the white ancestry outweighs the POC ancestry - even when certain POC features are still visible - there's the delusion that those features were produced by the white ancestry alone (Reeves). This falsely "comforts" some white people, making them think they don't need POC blood look POC-ish.

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    4. This reminds me of how white kpop fans love to say Top from Big Bang looks like a "white boy" and even calling him their "white boy oppa." Jaejoong from JYJ gets it too. White fans have serious conversations about how they "just can't be totally Asian and have to be part white." They can't get it through their heads that us POC can be attractive without them having a damn thing to do with it.

      This also reminds me of something that happened to me back when I was in college.

      I white friend revealed to me that she and her mother had a conversation about "what I was." She told me that they thought I was "pretty" and couldn't put a finger on what I was mixed with. They discussed my skin color, eye shape, hair texture, and god knows what else. They dissected me like a frog, all because they needed to erase my blackness to justify my attractiveness.

      At the time, I was too young to get what they did, but our friendship didn't last very long after that. She was the type of white chick that felt that because she dated black men, she could say or do these things.

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    5. And that I will never understand for the life of me given that the features white people seem to worship the most tend to be recessive traits. Surely white people know this by now. Even with my own son, people seem to think his best features are his big brown eyes and dark curly hair. In what world would he have his blue-eyed, blond haired father to thank for that?

      I don't know, it's straight up greedy to me. It's not like there aren't plenty of good looking white people who have full white ancestry. Now we're supposed to believe that we have white people to thank for every attractive POC on the planet too? Please.

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    6. Yeah, I'm not surprised. You know how much the LOVE to cheer on interracial relationships with the painfully ignorant comment that "you'll have such gorgeous kids." Of course, I think the mostly still just mean the interracial relationships of which they approve b/c they will throw plenty of hate towards the "wrong kinds."

      I find that to be SO irritating.

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    7. @Jean-bee, funny how sleeping with black men makes some WW think they can talk out of the sides of their neck at you isn't it?

      But yeah, I've heard plenty of people decide someone that is "really pretty" and not dark-skinned being grilled about "what they are?" Ugh.

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    8. Yes, she though that gave her permission to say whatever the hell her racist mind told her to. She couldn't be racist she was dating a black guy.

      The thing is I am darker skinned and can't pass for anything but black, that's why it seemed odd to me for them to even question my race.

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    9. Funny...b/c I guess I'm used to light-skinned women being grilled and called "European looking" even when they have features like Rihanna and Zoe Saldana(as in not "classically" European in any way), but they seem to normally notice very little about darker-skinned women (in my experience) other than to stereotype most of us as looking "black." I did get asked a stupid question about why I had so much more hair than their other black friend.

      I have just wound up being the only black person in a lot of situations which then has people asking me a lot of the "what is she since she clearly looks nothing like you who I stereotype as being a real black person."

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    10. They think TOP and JaeJoong look like white people? Damn white narcissism/delusion must be strong as hell.
      For those who don't know these guys:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdPnMoxKOWY
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS8ybLVulVA&feature=related

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  9. Honestly I gotta say what's wrong of being proud of everything you are. Granted she should be absolutely proud of being African American as well as everything else. I just don't get why cosmetic brands are being so racist. But she outright say I'm African American and yes I'm these other nationalities too, get the fuck over it people I'm Black too.

    This pisses me off too, that even though they claim they make makeup for every nationality then why is it, my friends and I still can't find concealer or foundation that works for our skin palettes, I almost want to say to these cosmetic makers " If you're going to say you make makeup for every nationality and skin tone, I'd appreciate you actually doing exactly that instead of what you're actually doing instead of what you advertise". It's really hard for me to find make up because my skin tone is a palish yellow. So it's a bitch.

    And dude I cannot believe that shit I knew Keanu Reeves Asian just by looking at him. And it's insulting that they're denying the fact that he's Eurasian and saying he's Caucasian, I take huge offense to that. It's like saying people who are mixed Caucasian and Asian aren't as good as Caucasians...like wtf. I mean that would be like Whiteys trying to deny that I'm Caucasian as well as Asian and Native American. I mean that's fucking insulting. Sorry I ranted guys forgive me!

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    1. @Steph,
      You are kind of missing the point of this post and the commentary around the media's whitening of Beyonce (which she and her father always seemed to encourage).

      Despite what people would have you believe, Beyonce has the same racial admixture that the majority of Black Americans (who are descended from slaves) have. She is not some magical exotic mixed-race beauty. She wears giant blondish wigs. Her background is not any different than that of millions of other black women, but the difference is that if this ad featured Queen Latifah (who isn't much darker than Beyonce), Nia Long, Gabrielle Union, Sanaa Lathan, Kerri Washington (about the same color as Beyonce) they wouldn't be lightening the ad or emphasizing her "mixing." In fact, I think the ad campaign does in fact do that. However, if you are being accurate, you would put the same labels on all of them.

      As was mentioned, people think that when they see a black person, they can divine that person's racial background and the degree of "purity" in their bloodlines based on their skin color. You cannot, esp. where Black Americans (and Blacks in the Caribbean, South, and Central America) are concerned. Or I should say, if you are aware of diversity among people on the African continent, you wouldn't assume you could. So one of my darkest-skinned friends also has a large percentage of recent white ancestry (however she is not biracial) yet she would never be acknowledged as anything other than black, and someone who looks like her would not be presented as an exotic mixed-race beauty either.

      The second part that is problematic is that part of the motivation behind whitening Beyonce and other black women that the mainstream media has deemed to be as attractive of their favorite white women is that they try to "de-black" them in an effort to prove that the beauty they possess could not come from their African ancestry, which is also a huge CROCK.

      As for being "proud" of her ancestry, you have to understand that for black people, the "white" part of their ancestry is not part of our heritage. It's something that your grandparents are afraid to discuss, something that was thrust into their bloodlines. It's part of a lot of ugliness and violence. It's not the story of people falling in love and choosing to be together. It's frequently about rape and control. And even within the history of Louisiana (which is where Beyonce's mother is from, and from where so much misinformation about the definition of Creole allows the perpetuation of this myth of her lack of blackness), it was about women trading sex for status(but not the same status of a white woman), and women being taken to start secret families for wealthy white men.

      And the claim about Native American ancestry is something that many Americans, both white and black, claim, but few of us have any actual knowledge, proof, or more important, cultural connection to, so while some people know it and live it, that's not the case for the majority of Black Americans.

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    2. Yea I get what you're trying to say here, and that is insulting that people are trying to insinuate that African American women can't be gorgeous without being mixed. Which is of course utter shit and we all know that. And I don't know why Loreal is trying to whiten her up, other than to be completely offensive and make women of color feel lesser than or something.

      And I now understand better where you're coming from far as the Creole ancestry goes. I won't claim to know a whole lot about that, however after having it explained I can understand better, and find it even more offensive that it's being advertised the way it is on this add up above. And it really does indicate that white media is trying to make African Americans and anybody else of color feel less than or even offend us as a whole, trying to alienate POC as a whole.

      Because of the way history is written, The truth is not told. I have to say white people would NEVER admit to the points you just made, about the Rape and Control. They don't want to hear what they did that was wrong. Which is why a lot of people don't know about that, I'll completely admit I had no idea about the following points you made about the Creoles the sex trade and all. I had no idea, and now that I know I wish that was covered in history text books in High school. But no, you'll never hear about the horrible things our country did to other people, but instead all the horrible things other countries did to us. In my opinion the history we learn in high school is a pack of lies.

      This whole White-Washing shit needs to end already.

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  10. @Steph, what we learn in history in the U.S. (I'm assuming you are American too) is a "white-washed" and heavily sanitized version of history, that excludes the history of the African continent, Latin America, and Black Americans. Yet people complain about Black history month, and are totally ignorant about the culture or history of our closest neighbors or of the continent that supplied about 20% of the American population (b/c a significant number of people who identify as "Hispanic" are of African descent too). The Europeans do the same b/c they offload the responsibility for the slave trade that they began and controlled for centuries onto the U.S., which is laughable b/c the U.S. was an independent country for less than a century before slavery was ended, and of course, the overwhelming majority of African slaves went to the Caribbean and S. America.

    The amount of white blood injected into black Americans by rape or other coercive sex is considerable and continued well after the end of slavery, but white people conveniently forget that and only acknowledge a handful of "love stories" like the statutory rape of Sally Hemings by Thomas Jefferson, who was married to her half-sister. People honestly think it is that rare. I could never bring myself to watch either of the movies that portrayed that affair (one that featured Thandie Netwon and another that starred Carmen Egojo)...I also had to gag when people tried to suggest that the revelation that Strom Thurmond had a baby by a black, underage housemaid that he provided financial support to was proof that he wasn't a racist. As if that girl had any way to refuse him while working in his parents' home.

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    1. Yea I've learned that everything that comes from history text books is white washed that you're going to have to dig for the truth if you want it. Which brings me to the conclusion that I need to read more about African American culture (written by people who haven't been white washed) so I can learn more about the truth. Because as what you said, about all the sex slavery I had no idea about. I'm more familiar with sex slave scandals that reside in certain other countries. And you know what the sad part is as much as I wished I had been shocked by your comment about Rape, control and other violence inflicted upon African American women; however I wasn't shocked because I know white people are capable of horrible things. The part I didn't know was that it happened so regularly. It's so sad that even today, White American's aren't willing to admit to their wrongs; and tell the truth. But you know what that's white people for you.

      And I wish I knew more, because even though it saddens me to know that humans can be so cruel to other humans; that it is instead better to know the truth. Problem is I don't know where to start looking.

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    2. "I also had to gag when people tried to suggest that the revelation that Strom Thurmond had a baby by a black, underage housemaid that he provided financial support to was proof that he wasn't a racist."

      Of course they would. *sigh*

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    3. Incidents in the Life of a Slave Girl
      Autobiography of Malcolm X

      Feast of All Saints (fictional story about Creoles in Louisiana that mentions the rapes, sexual slavery, concubines, mistresses)

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    4. Oh yeah that Anne Rice novel and film starring Bianca Lawson. I still haven't finished watching that yet.

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  11. Reminds me of those mind-numbing arguments in the Spock/Uhura fandom about some white fanfic writers telling need whiten to whiten her. All these fans are the same. They need to see a black woman as something other than being completely black to explain why she is so awesome or why they are attracted or otherwise idolize that woman.

    The fact that Beyonce has let this crap happen time and time again with this company (not to mention the blackface ad for that French magazine) is very telling.

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    1. (church voice) Well.

      All these fans are the same.

      Yes. They are all the same. S/U fans may think they are superior to Twilight fans, who may think they're superior to TVD fans, but the truth is...they're all the same.

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    2. QueenofSheba2/15/12, 4:39 PM

      I'm sorry but it's not just fandom or L'Oreal doing this shit. Just checked out Whitney Houston's wikipedia page, where in the early life section, some clearly white wiki editor has listed her as being African american, native american and dutch descent. WTF?!!!

      Cos black/african american isn't good enough to describe a beautiful black woman, no matter how black she looks, if she's gorgeous she has to be 'mixed' to justify all the worship. Sick making.
      Even worse, is knowing that unlike self hating Beyonce, Whitney would never have signed off on that, she was always a proud black woman. I don't even know if it's a recent update since her death. Any wiki editors in the house want to log complaint/make a correction?

      Oh, and check out Naomi Campbell's wiki page, where a few sentences are devoted to namechecking her supposedly chinese grandmother even down to giving her supposed surname, in order to explain Naomi's heritage. Again WTF:!!!

      It's crazy that the only people getting their whole family tree investigated on wikipedia for alternative races are black women noted for their beauty!

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    3. QueenofSheba2/15/12, 5:50 PM

      Just to prove that they really are digging deep into famous black women's family trees to find white ancestry, here's a quote from Whitney's mother, Cissy Houston's WIKIPEDIA page again in the early years section:
      "One of Cissy Houston's great-great-grandfathers was full-blooded Dutch."

      So that means the dutch descent that was so vital to mention on Whitney's wikipedia page, if it's even true to start with, would be as distant as her great great great grandfather, that is 3% of her makeup!!!

      So ordinary blacks with that level and a lot more non black genes are simply black, but once they're famous and lauded publicly they become officially mixed race. These people are SICK!

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    4. Oh, yes, I've noticed a lot of people trying to make Naomi Campbell half-Chinese for a while. And while I realize that yes, her parents or grandparents are from Jamaica, and yes, she could have some actual Chinese Jamaican ancestry, the impetus for making her biracial is clear, yet nothing about her looks Asian. To me the most stunning part of her looks are clearly African in origin (although like many, she is not sporting her original nose). However, look up a picture of her mom and tell me that you don't see a lot of African there...she really reminds me of a Nigerian American college classmates's mom.

      I had noticed how many of the "hot" black women are described as being multi-racial in Wikipedia or even in other blogs that discuss race. And if you point out that the ancestry that people are calling out is a)not visible, b)not the source of their beauty and c)an insignificant portion of their gene pool, you totally get attacked. Or they do the whole, "she looks like a white women with a tan" BS with everyone else.

      I'm personally surprised that they have never claimed Kerry Washington, but so far at least, I see her being described as just "African American" (I say that in quotes b/c I don't think it's the best term to describe Black American descendants of slaves).

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  12. I propose a list of all the wiki pages Black women deemed 'hot'by mainstream and see if their mixed laundry list is laid out.

    I mean even Megan Good when asked about her "exotic looks" in an interview her maternal Grandmother is "Jewish and African, so I guess that would be considered Creole. My mother's father was Cherokee and something else. My dad's mother's Puerto Rican and black, and his father was from Barbados."

    WHAT THE FUCK?? That makes little sense Jewish and African = creole? Where in Africa is your grandmother from? Is she White Jew and African? Is she an Ethiopian Jew? Do you know what creole is?

    Yep I want a list.

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    1. yeah my first thought was Jewish + African = Ethiopian or the Lemba in South Africa

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    2. Ugh, Megan Good made a movie about a family in Louisiana and she doesn't know what Creole is or isn't?

      Someone needed to spend a little more time hitting the books and a little less time in the club...

      And I want to start a drinking game everyone acts like saying that one of your parents or grandparents is "Latino/Dominican/Puerto Rican/etc." means that they aren't black. All it means is that one of them MIGHT have spoken Spanish.

      But your list of "hot" black women who are listed as "mixed" in Wiki bios is excellent. I'd also add to that the ones who are described as "looking like tan white woman" and how many times people indicate that all fully black women have "big giant noses" as proof of their total blackness.

      Like I said before, the people I know who actually have some recent, non-parental, and not insignificant non-Black ancestry don't look like these ridiculous stereotypes that people have...

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