Why I'm #TeamPOC

A non-American, non-POC troll came onto the Red-Headed Sis's post crying about how she hadn't seen the book or movie The Help, and thus shouldn't be commenting on it, and then made a remark about how non-POC is a "horrible term".  I've been seeing this remark crop up in a lot of the comments I delete and they're always from white commenters. They do not like the term "POC".

I, on the other hand, love the term "POC" - accuracy vs. inaccuracy be damned.  I just love how "POC" - "people of color" - affects insecure, racist-but-in-denial white folks.  See..."nigga" is the word they'd like to say, but aren't supposed to, while "POC" is a term they can say, but don't want to.

Saying "POC" rewrites the current human dynamic

Humans are either POC or non-POC.  I am currently weening myself off saying "white/non-white" because it implies that white people are the default human beings and everyone else is Just Other.  We're not; despite what Hollywhite insists, the first human beings on this planet were of color and the last ones will be as well.

Saying "POC" reminds us of demographic reality

There are less than a billion white people around the world (they are somewhere in the ballpark of 700 - 750 million and plummeting decreasing) out of over 7 billion human beings total.  For all those white people who don't want to see or hear about POC, that presents a very grim reality.  For those who want to stay in charge socioeconomically and politically, and control POC, that presents a grim reality.  For those who want to control POC at the social level (friendships, romance, media) that presents a grim reality.

Let's say all non-indigenous POC were to withdraw from countries with white people.  Then let's say all the countries of color who've loaned white countries money were to suddenly call in all their loans.  THEN let's say all those countries of color were to impose sanctions/trade embargoes against countries with white people.

Imagine what the White, White West would look like after a just few a weeks of that.

Saying "POC" unites and empowers the various peoples of color as one

It encourages communication amongst us, and appreciation of one another's differences and historical struggles.  It encourages us to unite and heal ourselves and help one another overcome our social, economic, and military obstacles (much of which were notably put in place by non-POC).  It encourages us to love our colors, embrace our heritages, and immortalize ourselves in art.

I cannot even begin to stress how uncomfortable that makes insecure white folks.

In Closing

I'm going to keep using the term POC (obviously) for all the reasons I've listed above.  Bar patrons, feel free to share more reasons to use it.

And with that, I leave you with some poignant words from Native American poetess Anishinaabekwe:

They want you to forget,
That is their plan,

So look in the mirror,
Your skin,
Your eyes,
Your nose,
Your lips,
Your check bones,
Your hair,
Look closely,
In the mirror,

...

They want you to forget,
So they don't have to own up to,
The damage they do to you,
Your family,
Your community,

They want you to forget,
So we can "get along,"
So we have "community,"

They want you to forget,
So they don't have to deal,
With the injustices that bury you,
In silence,
Most often when you are alone,

...

They want you to forget,
Because it is about a "divine plan,"
It is about "progress,"
For them

Comments

  1. “Saying "POC" unites and empowers the various peoples of color as one.”

    Love that line.
    If you say you’re Black- or African American, then to most whites you only represent about 12-13 percent of the population. So in terms of numbers we matter very little; even with a sitting Black President. But say you’re a POC and you represent a populace that comprises the world’s majority. We’re Black- Brown, Copper, Red and Yellow-skinned (and so many shades in between) people. This has a disheartening effect of reminding the white person just how much he/she is in the minority. Likewise in terms of sheer numbers, they matter very little.

    Yet even now, there are things being negotiated in back rooms In high places to insure the survival of the white race. Things being whispered at a C-Street address to make sure the white male remains dominate on the world stage. His grip on power is slipping with each new non-white birth, and with every non-white he murders in the name of freedom. He only cares about power over others, for to him- power is the only real and tangible treasure.

    “They want you to forget,
    So we can "get along,"
    So we have "community,"”

    And while we’re forgetting- hugging and singing songs of inspiration (to lower our guard) whites make plans in back rooms. It’s been my experience you can never get a white man to mean what he says, or to say what he means. That’s why they make such good politicians; because deception comes so easy for them.

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  2. See..."nigga" is the word they'd like to say, but aren't supposed to, while "POC" is a term they can say, but don't want to.
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    Isn't that so funny? That amuses me to no end.

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  3. @ M. Gibson

    And while we’re forgetting- hugging and singing songs of inspiration (to lower our guard)

    Exactly. The Kumbaya thing isn't for our benefit. It doesn't "help" us in anyway. It revises history and tells us to not be upset when socioeconomic system deliberately works against us.

    @ Aiyo

    Isn't that hilarious? It occurred to me as I was writing this. I never thought of it before now.

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  4. “Saying "POC" unites and empowers the various peoples of color as one.”

    And that's why racist white folks flip their shit when we use that term. Because their worst fear is all of us uniting for a common good: dismantling institutional racism and oppression.

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  5. Because their worst fear is all of us uniting for a common good: dismantling institutional racism and oppression.

    Bingo. But they twist it to make it sound like we're going to enslave and massacre them. No. We're just going to ensure a level-playing field for all.

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  6. It's just another trick to try to get other people to forget the realities they've created for People of Color, a term I like as well, and deny that their privileges are declining.

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  7. Perla Buttons9/7/11, 12:14 AM

    Even though colour-wheel-spinning folks would define me as Yellow and White, I call myself Brown. Why?

    1. Who are they callin' yellow?*

    2. To really tie into your post - I feel it's a more inclusive term that connects me to others and doesn't disappear any aspect of my heritage.

    Over here in Oz, the term bandied about most often is "visibly ethnic" - I've abandoned it in favour of WOC or POC due to local foolery re: "ethnicity".

    The overriding Australian White Person idea that only non-white people are "ethnic" feeds into "Gumnut baby** delusions" many White folks have. Even now, some folks will (even more) narrowly define "ethnic" as anyone who isn't of completely British and/or Irish descent.

    *Visibly Ethnic humour
    **Not an actual term used - I just use it as I think it fits local White Person delusions re: White People being "really" Aussie and everyone else being "pretenders" of either imported or Indigenous origin.

    It comes from this children's book series: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snugglepot_and_Cuddlepie

    http://www.bestbooksforkids.com.au/684-the-complete-adventures-of-snugglepot-and-cuddlepie.html

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  8. Hey, I've just link-hopped over here from "The Narrative".

    While I commend your effort to empower all minorities who have historically either been relegated to a lower status or outright oppressed, vis-a-vis white people, I wonder whether your approach is a little too antagonistic. It seems to me that if the goal is to achieve equality and harmony between all the races, then we need to have members of all the races on-board for the cause. I just hope you're not alienating white people in your effort to achieve your goal.

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  9. @ T

    First, I always recommend that people read this before they comment here.

    Secondly, to answer your question of whether or not my approach is antagonistic or alienating towards white people, the truth is I'm tired and I don't care at this point. If they feel antagonized or alienated...oh well. They struck first and they've made it clear they'd rather chew off their own arms than clean up their messes. Just look at Britain, for example.

    Which brings me to this:

    It seems to me that if the goal is to achieve equality and harmony between all the races, then we need to have members of all the races on-board for the cause.

    Whites, as a group, are not on-board, and as a group, they never will be. It's not what they want, not after centuries of privilege. I often quote Tim Wise, a white social justice activist, who said: "People of color will liberate themselves from white supremacy - bet on that. The question is, who liberate us?"

    POC shouldn't have to wait around for non-POC to get on-board, nor beg them to. POC should push forward and progress whether it's convenient for whites or not. Contrary to [white] popular belief, POC can progress without them, and if modern Sino-African relations have taught us anything, we already are doing it, and we are doing it splendidly.

    In summary, the progression of POC is my focus. Whether or not white folks want to get on-board, however, is not. Normally that would be short-sighted, but genetics and demographics have determined that time is running out for them, not POC.

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  10. @Ankhesen,

    I now have a better understanding of your position. Although I myself am a “POC” (of the Asian persuasion), I’ve had very little personal experience with negotiating the complexities of interracial conflicts. So, in light of my limited experience I can but defer to your chosen approach on these matters.

    On a different note, you mentioned the current state of Sino-African relations as a positive example of POC cooperation toward a common goal and I found that interesting. As I understand it, the growing Chinese presence in Africa is largely viewed with suspicion by ordinary Africans because it is taking place without their consent, and they feel that they’re being excluded from much of the economic benefits that they are supposed to receive. Is my understanding of the situation incorrect, as a result of Sino-phobic Western propaganda?

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  11. Is my understanding of the situation incorrect, as a result of Sino-phobic Western propaganda?

    Yes. This is actually Eccentric Yoruba's department, as she has researched and written extensively on Sino-African relations, both current and historical (and continues to expand her research). You can find her articles on the Advanced Blasian Sociology page of the Blasian Narrative.

    She also once shared a very important article with us on China in Africa: Seven Myths.

    By the way, Sino-phobic Western propaganda (excellently stated, btw) is yet another perfect example of what I was saying about non-POC not wanting to get on-board with POC.

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  12. I streamed The Help (lol I would never pay for it). It was shit. There's nothing wrong with the term non-POC. Get over your white woman tears, troll.

    Anyway, Ankh, have you seen "Attack the Block?" I really enjoyed it overall, even though I have some problems with it (which I won't say in case you decide to watch it). I think you should check it out if you haven't already.

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  13. T said...
    I just hope you're not alienating white people in your effort to achieve your goal.

    For centuries, white people have alienated POC to achieve their goals. They didn't care about alienating POC when they held us in bondage. Nor did they care during the height of Jim Crow. Once the Republican Party realized it needed no black votes to capture The White House they distanced themselves from the plight of POC. Without missing a beat they whored themselves out to a lily-white- mostly southern demographic and to hell with black concerns.

    Even now, powerful, rich white men are laying plans behind closed doors to consolidate power and they don’t give a damn what POC think. Whites will hold out the hand of friendship/cooperation with one hand, while crossing the fingers on their other hand behind their backs. They’ve been using this sleight-of-hand maneuver for centuries on POC and I see no reason why they would stop now.

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  14. @ The Girl

    I streamed The Help (lol I would never pay for it). It was shit. There's nothing wrong with the term non-POC. Get over your white woman tears, troll.

    LOL - it was actually a guy.

    Anyway, Ankh, have you seen "Attack the Block?"

    Dying to see that! Where can we watch that in the US?

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  15. I actually had to stream that because last I checked, the closest place it's playing near me is Sacramento (not San Francisco like I originally thought). That's way too far for me. The only place it's playing in Texas (which is where you are iirc) is Austin. Try to see it if you can :)

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  16. @The Girl In Question
    Attack the Block was hard!! I watched it at the cinema and twice online it was hard. There were some stuff that annoyed me like the acting and other stuff but I don't want to spoil it for you. The acting seemed forced and did not really flow properly. But then again they are all new faces and this is their first acting job.

    I don't know maybe it's because I'm a Londoner and that's the slang I use with my friends but I guess NW London slang differs slightly from South London slang. We say "I swear down!" instead of "Believe" LOL

    Anyway I recommend it, high action, funny parts, scary. Looking out for the lead John Boyega (Naija Boy!)

    Ankh, you should watch it.

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  17. Interesting. You know, this perhaps feeds into the fact that they get overly disturbed when a person with a black parent and a white parent calls themselves black.

    Have you ever seen the comments made about Halle Berry and Barack Obama and their use of the descriptor black? (Right up there with the comments that any beautiful black woman is only beautiful b/c she doesn't really look like a black woman, just a white woman with a tan; they love to hammer that point home).
    Of course, some of it is that we aren't talking about Halle the customer service rep and Barack the bus driver.

    But forcing those lines to be drawn does in fact dilute the numbers. It gives people who do not want to identify a false sense of security that they will not be judged as harshly as the real darkies.

    I read a really good book about race in Brazil, and one of the unintentional consequences of the million or so categories that the Portuguese allowed(along with self-identification) is that all of the people who in the U.S. would be one thing are about two dozen things in Brazil.

    That division is politically useful. Add that in with the fact that Brazilians didn't write out all of the rules about what blacks could or could not do, and you have a society where some people really do FEEL more privileged for being slightly lighter when in reality, people who would code as black in this country still lack economic privilege, political power, and educational/academic achievement and people who would code as white have all of those things. People who happily identify as black in Brazil have a hard time getting others to join forces. They are only a few years from the first ever black governor of one of their states. And this is true in a country were in the census, over 50% of the people admit being black, and there in reality, another 25-30% or more are black. (Not that anyone here would know it-they think the average Brazilian is a skinny white blond lady).

    It reminds me of the idea, if a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound? If I am black and don't call myself black will I still get treated like crap by racists?

    So it's brilliant really. I won't TELL you that you cannot sit in the front of the bus, but in reality, you still wind up in the back. I won't tell you that you are black or what it means to be black so you can call yourself Elmo if you want. You don't notice nor do you associate being at the back with being black, b/c you aren't really black. You are brown or beige or yellow.

    I'm actually really glad that the non-POC wrote down the rules. It gives us something to get angry at, unite against, and break down.

    But I think the big fear is that all of these POC will at some point unite and take everything back. They don't want us to feel united. That is scary. We stop being minorities if we all view ourselves as one things that they are not. And you know that they cannot stand a party where they are not getting crowned prom king and prom queen, or one that they just aren't invited to at all.

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  18. You know, this perhaps feeds into the fact that they get overly disturbed when a person with a black parent and a white parent calls themselves black.

    I hadn't even thought of that, but now that you mention it...yes, I think it does.

    And when people like Halle Berry and Obama even so much as mention their negative experiences as black people, non-POC flip the fuck out. POC are never surprised by the racial troubles of mixed folks, but non-POC seriously flip the fuck out.

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  19. I’m just thinking, what’s the likelihood that the various races within the broad category of POC (i.e. Black, Asian, Indian, and etc.) will unite for the common goal of subverting white dominance? Certainly, I can imagine all the POC of minority status in, say, the US coming together to fight for the common cause of racial equality in a civil rights movement, but such a unity between the disparate groups within the POC just doesn’t seem likely at the level of transnational geopolitics. Japan and South Korea, for example, would find that they have more political, economic and cultural affinity with Western nations than they have with any African nation, which is why we see Japan and South Korea locked in a security alliance with the US (and note Japan’s long-standing membership in the G7, indicating its status as an honorary Western nation). Even China, its current relationship with Africa notwithstanding, is likely to find more common ground with Western nations as it transforms socially and politically, in response to its economic development.

    Furthermore, I don’t think most POC nations even want to align themselves with anyone in opposition to the West. If anything, one legacy of Western colonialism is that it has provided many POC nations with shared histories and institutions on which they have built enduring ties with their former colonial masters (e.g. India and the British Commonwealth).

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  20. @ T

    First - you have to take unto account demographic reality. Non-POC are rapidly decreasing, whether they want to or not, whether they care to admit it or not. They're in dire financial straights, and their dominion over this planet is steadily fading. So these "enduring" ties have a very strict expiration date, which is why we see international relations between POC countries proceeding, and much of it is without non-POC approval.

    Also, one must never pay attention to what's strictly being said, but what's not being said, especially if you're a POC living in the West. There are things going on in this world that POC in the West are not being told. Gabon is a former French colony with ties to France, and yet she began deporting white people for racism last year. Japan has demanded the removal of US military bases in her territory, (and S. Koreans have protested against the building of them) and have begun editing out the whiteness in much of the media they receive from the West. The rebellious North Korea has made her attitude towards the West very clear, and she's developed a relationship with China which alarms the West. Also the West (USA in particular) is always sanctimoniously talking down to POC countries about their human rights violation, prompting China to publish the White Papers, exposing America's own human rights violations. Notice how well Chinese people - living on the other side of the globe - grasp racial discrimination in America, while the non-POC living here remain blissfully ignorant.

    Notice how if you're not living in these countries or continually digging through non-POC media, you won't learn this information.

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  21. Second - during the uprising in England last month, many countries of color - specifically in Asia and Africa - bluntly revealed their feelings towards the West, in which they recalled their people's slaughter at the hands of Western nations, as well constant Western meddling in their political affairs. These countries also pointed out the Western hypocritical tendency to portray its countries as being "perfect" and not share the truth of what's going on in their societies. In other words, T, POC countries are already in opposition of the West, and have been for a very long time now.

    Contrary to popular American belief, you don't have to bomb someone to be in opposition. There are other ways to get your point across, especially when you have time and the other side doesn't.

    After all, the very same day the rebellion began in England, China issued an ultimatum to the US which was heard 'round the world, stating that "the good old days are finally over" - that's no small statement, no matter how much American writers tried to soften the blow.

    And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

    So to answer your question, T, the answer, in my opinion - is very likely. The loathing for the West from POC abroad is patent and permanent and they have no desire to remain second or third or fourth forever. No one wants to remain subject to Western authority for the rest of eternity (especially since the West as we know it won't even be around that long), which is precisely why non-Western POC are taking steps to ensure their progeny is not.

    (By the way, here's the Gabon link; it didn't show up correctly in the last comment.)

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  22. I really don’t see an emerging anti-Western alliance amongst the POCs of the world other than, perhaps, the growing interaction between China and various African countries, and even there it would be an exaggeration at this point to characterise it as an emerging “alliance” in any meaningful way.

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  23. Going back to the example of Japan and South Korea, I don’t doubt that there are long-standing tensions between those two countries and the US, which are due in no small part to the long list of atrocities that have been committed by American troops against the local populations (http://www.iacenter.org/Koreafiles/ktc-civilnetwork.htm). However, even with these tensions in Japan and South Korea, neither country seems eager to form an alliance against the US or the West more broadly. I don’t know how familiar you are with the political and cultural attitudes in Japan and South Korea, but there is still a strong current of lingering hostility toward each other in those two countries because of Japan’s brutal occupation of the Korean Peninsula early in the last century, and both countries are keen to cling to the current US security arrangement as insurance against the rapidly rising Chinese dragon, who many in Japan fear might decide to address the grievances it has in relation to Japanese wartime atrocities. All these conflicts and divisions, not to mention the existing cultural distances between East Asians, Africans, and other POCs, make it unlikely that we will see a global POC alliance established anytime soon.

    And I meant to ask you this before, but what is the prevailing sentiment amongst ordinary Africans (as opposed to the political and business elites) with regard to China’s growing presence on their continent? It’s all well and good to have the facts of what is actually taking place but ultimately it’s the perception that really matters. If Africans themselves buy into the notion that they’re in the process of being neocolonised by China, then there won’t be any sense of solidarity between China and Africa. (BTW, thanks for that seven myths article; it was very informative.)

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  24. @ T

    I really don’t see an emerging anti-Western alliance amongst the POCs of the world

    Reread what I said. You misunderstood.

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  25. @ T

    You seem to be under the impression I'm saying POC of the world are uniting to form an army and invade the White, White West. That we're holding hands and singing Kumbaya with one another while we're doing so.

    I'm saying this: No country of color wants to remain subject to the authority of the West forever. They each have their independent reasons - historical and/or current - for being angry with the West. This is prompting them to move in the direction of their own best interests, whether the West approves or not. This is the first step to overcoming the imperialist/housebroken conditioning a lot of POC countries have undergone.

    Do people of color have their own beef with one another? Oh yes - I'm not ignoring that (I've actually been over this), but in order to progress, POC are going to have to cooperate with one another not just in the West, but across the globe - end of story.

    I'm well aware of the hostilities between Japan and Korean; in Africa we have similar inter-ethnic hostilities. The Ethiopians have never forgiven the Eritreans for joining with the Italians and invading their lands. My people, the Ambazonians/Bimbians, have never forgiven our French-speaking counterparts in Eastern Cameroon for usurping our provinces right when we achieved our independence from Britain.

    And I could go on and on. We may never forgive nor forget, but that doesn't mean we should let our ancestral "beef" hinder our socioeconomic progress and political independence. At some point, the cycle of hostility amongst POC has to end, because while it cripples us, it strengthens those who would seek to control us - end of story.

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  26. And I meant to ask you this before, but what is the prevailing sentiment amongst ordinary Africans (as opposed to the political and business elites) with regard to China’s growing presence on their continent?

    I've actually already provided you with links answers to this; Eccentric Yoruba's articles are not just from the bureaucratic level, but the social as well.

    Is there concern over possible neocolonization? Of course there is; we've grown vigilant. That is to be expected. However, at the same time, when you speak to Africans themselves, you also hear/read a lot of positivity. My own relatives who come and go from Cameroon speak very highly of the Chinese presence in our cities. Eccentric Yoruba has written similar reports about the growing Korean presence in Nigeria (though some tend to think the Chinese are friendlier than Koreans).

    However, a commenter on an article by Damien Ma said it best about the Chinese living in Congo:

    The problem with you Westerners is your intellectual arrogance. You think you know everything, you think you can accurately predict the future, but you don't know jack. I was listening to a podcast about the Chinese in Congo. The Chinese can speak Lingala, live among the Congolese and eat the same food as the Congolese, while workers at the American embassy could only speak French and barely ventured out of their air-conditioned enclosures.

    Their only interaction with natives apart from their drivers, cooks and stewards are short planned in advance appointments with the locals.

    Yet these same people living in a hermetically sealed bubble are the ones who produce so-called "detailed" reports on the situation in Africa, and you will swallow the BS they produce without blinking.

    We who live in Africa know better. We can pick apart your BS in a second.

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  27. It is not my belief that opposition to the West by the POC necessarily entails any kind of military action. I was, however, operating on the assumption that you believe the POCs of the world are on the verge of forming an alliance with one another to undermine the dominance that the West has exerted, and is still exerting, over the rest of the world. To the extent that I also believe that all the POCs are, as independent actors, actively pursuing the goal of developing their own national power and in the process overcoming Western dominance, we’re in agreement. In bringing up the security alliance currently held by the US, Japan, and South Korea I was simply making the point that while there may be plenty of reasons why POCs might band together against the West, those reasons, as things currently stand, are more often than not overshadowed by the common interests that POCs share with the West.

    I get what you’re saying, though: POCs need to cooperate with one another. However, I also remain hopeful that the white West will be a part of the human progress toward a better future. Otherwise, we’d just be perpetuating yet another cycle of hostility.

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  28. I was, however, operating on the assumption that you believe the POCs of the world are on the verge of forming an alliance with one another to undermine the dominance that the West has exerted, and is still exerting, over the rest of the world.

    Well, I hope you understand me now. Several countries being the on a similar page and wanting progress for their own nations does not automatically constitute an "alliance". The fact that they are all trying undermining the West is simply due to the fact the West unwisely gave them all a common enemy. It is by no means a coordinated effort.

    I also remain hopeful that the white West will be a part of the human progress toward a better future.

    And I remain realistic. This always comes down to a matter of choice: They have to want to be a part of it, but they don't because in the world you're proposing, they won't be the "top dogs", so to speak. They won't own most of the world's wealth, and they won't be considered special snowflakes in any way, shape or form. That's not a world they want to live in, and POC cannot change their minds.

    Otherwise, we’d just be perpetuating yet another cycle of hostility.

    Maybe so...but it wouldn't be for long.

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  29. *** final comment moderation***

    @ "Shaun"

    1. You are so white, whether you wear the actual skin or not. And your manner of disagreement is what makes you most definitely a troll. Hate on the term "POC" all you want - it's not going anywhere.
    2. Blogs are for whatever the hell people build them for. That's Duh 101, by the way.
    3. People like you are actually what's bad for race relations. You help maintain the status quo.
    4. Just so you know, a troll can't make me insecure about my writing style. Especially when that troll writes (and reads) the way you do.
    5. If you know your comment's not going to published, then the "duh" thing to do is not comment...duh. And as for the whole not coming back thing, I hate to break the obvious to you (again), but you won't be missed. You strike me as the needs-a-restraining-order-to-get-the-hint type anyway.
    6. It's a good thing you're not coming back. You seriously have no clue what this blog is about. Must have to do with all that infamous troll illiteracy.

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  30. T,

    You seem much more concerned about leaving your precious White folks behind than you are about gaining your liberation as a PoC. But then, you got more to lose than us lowly Black folk. Being Number 2 in the racial hierarchy is a damn sight better than being dead ass last like Black folks. But don't expect us to agree with your stance or have your back in that.

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  31. @ Witchsistah

    And it really frustrates me to see Asians do this, when the white people they so fervently adore continually do shit like this.

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  32. Well, c'mon now, guys. I think you're too quick to accuse me of white worship. Even worse, I think I'm also being accused of free-riding on the benefits derived from the civil rights won by black people, which I hear is a resentment that is widely held by black people in the US regarding Asian Americans.

    Anyway, that Citibank ad doesn't surprise me as I've been aware of efforts to either whitewash or dismiss Asian ingenuity for a while. With America's relative decline against the rest of the world and China's seemingly inexorable re-emergence to global leadership under way, one can expect to see anti-Asian, and in particular anti-Chinese, sentiments intensify.

    That brings me to another question. I take it that the rise of China is celebrated by members of this community. However, from what I understand, most Americans including those of African descent do not regard China's rise as a positive development. Am I again mistaken in my understanding, or are the members here not representative of the wider African American community on this issue?

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  33. @ T

    Well, c'mon now, guys. I think you're too quick to accuse me of white worship. Even worse, I think I'm also being accused of free-riding on the benefits derived from the civil rights won by black people, which I hear is a resentment that is widely held by black people in the US regarding Asian Americans.

    I can't speak for anyone else, but you do strike me as a bit of a worshiper. Also, I sense somewhat of a cynical, anti-black sentimentality from you. By the way you phrase your questions, you seem to automatically assume the negative about the Black perception of Asians, without at least attempting to - on your own - acquire research about the contrary (and no, talking to me does not constitute research). And while you seem to automatically assume the negative about Black people, you also seem to persistently give white people the benefit of the doubt.

    So, yes...that raises red flags on this blog.

    However, from what I understand, most Americans including those of African descent do not regard China's rise as a positive development. Am I again mistaken in my understanding, or are the members here not representative of the wider African American community on this issue?

    I hate to do the very tired "we're not a monolith" chant, but no...we're not.

    Some African Americans are alarmed by China's rise, but one must keep in mind Americans in general are continually exposed to Sinophobic propaganda. And as we see with Citibank, they're also constantly lied to by omission and through revision.

    Again, if you're not paying close attention to non-American media, and staying in touch with people outside of the US, it's very easy to be misinformed. That's one of the main reasons sociology is such a big part of the Blasian Narrative. We want to keep readers thinking, questioning, analyzing, and looking beyond their borders.

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  34. ”I can't speak for anyone else, but you do strike me as a bit of a worshiper. Also, I sense somewhat of a cynical, anti-black sentimentality from you. By the way you phrase your questions, you seem to automatically assume the negative about the Black perception of Asians, without at least attempting to - on your own - acquire research about the contrary (and no, talking to me does not constitute research). And while you seem to automatically assume the negative about Black people, you also seem to persistently give white people the benefit of the doubt.”

    I see no reason why I should be regarded as a white worshipper. My desire for white people to be a part of the human progress is simply consistent with my desire for people of all races to achieve genuine equality and harmony with one another; it is not indicative of any favouritism for white people over black people.

    As far as my cynicism goes, I am cynical – but not about black people specifically. I’m just cynical in general. That said, it should be noted that cynicism does not underlie anything that I’ve said here. Let’s not confuse my questions with accusations. I have asked the questions because I am genuinely interested in learning more about the views of the black community. Sure, your point about doing independent research is well taken, but I’d like to think that engaging in dialogue with you and the other members here is also valuable in contributing to greater understanding.

    ”Some African Americans are alarmed by China's rise, but one must keep in mind Americans in general are continually exposed to Sinophobic propaganda. And as we see with Citibank, they're also constantly lied to by omission and through revision.”

    There is certainly plenty of Sino-phobic propaganda. However, I tend to think that the direction of cause-and-effect is reversed on this issue. That is, rather than being a contributor of Sino-phobic sentiments, the negative portrayal of China in Western media is a result of pre-existing Sino-phobic sentiments. The media in this case is simply reflecting popular opinion.

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  35. For the record, T, this is cynicism:

    ~ I don’t think most POC nations even want to align themselves with anyone in opposition to the West. If anything, one legacy of Western colonialism is that it has provided many POC nations with shared histories and institutions on which they have built enduring ties with their former colonial masters

    ~ As I understand it, the growing Chinese presence in Africa is largely viewed with suspicion by ordinary Africans because it is taking place without their consent, and they feel that they’re being excluded from much of the economic benefits that they are supposed to receive.

    ~ what is the prevailing sentiment amongst ordinary Africans (as opposed to the political and business elites) with regard to China’s growing presence on their continent? It’s all well and good to have the facts of what is actually taking place but ultimately it’s the perception that really matters.

    ~ I think I'm also being accused of free-riding on the benefits derived from the civil rights won by black people, which I hear is a resentment that is widely held by black people in the US regarding Asian Americans.

    ~ I take it that the rise of China is celebrated by members of this community. However, from what I understand, most Americans including those of African descent do not regard China's rise as a positive development.


    and this is not:

    ~ I wonder whether your approach is a little too antagonistic. It seems to me that if the goal is to achieve equality and harmony between all the races, then we need to have members of all the races on-board for the cause. I just hope you're not alienating white people in your effort to achieve your goal.

    ~ I also remain hopeful that the white West will be a part of the human progress toward a better future. Otherwise, we’d just be perpetuating yet another cycle of hostility.

    ~ My desire for white people to be a part of the human progress is simply consistent with my desire for people of all races to achieve genuine equality and harmony with one another

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  36. Anyway, that Citibank ad doesn't surprise me as I've been aware of efforts to either whitewash or dismiss Asian ingenuity for a while.

    And yet you didn't bring up, nor do you seem eager to discuss this and other similar behavior in depth - at least not when it's coming from white people. You seem more eager to scrutinize Black behavior and perception through a negative lens.

    If your intent is pure, your manner of phrasing should be along the lines of, "How can we work to together better?" and not "I'm guessing you don't like us much, or do you? Because I heard...."

    You're cynical, all right, but only where POC are concerned.

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  37. I see that you've made up your mind about me, and the conclusion you've reached is totally absurd.

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  38. Predictable? It just occurred to me that your insistence in slapping the white worshipper/anti-black label on me may be born of a desire not to lose an argument.

    I maintain that there is nothing cynical about what I've said here. At most, I am willing to concede that my choice of words have appeared combative, or "antagonistic" even, but to then arrive at the conclusion that I am therefore an anti-black white worshipper is just absurd. For the record, this is how I normally appear in comments on all blogs and message boards (http://www.aimeebarnes.com/2011/08/24/e-t-s-next-stop-in-the-galaxy-beijing/); you're not getting a special treatment from me as a result of some hidden prejudice on my part.

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  39. @ T

    I see that you've made up your mind about me, and the conclusion you've reached is totally absurd.

    *sigh* So predictable.

    I see...that you see the flaws I see in your approach, and instead of just dealing with them, you pull the White Kid's Pout.

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  40. It just occurred to me that your insistence in slapping the white worshipper/anti-black label on me may be born of a desire not to lose an argument.

    Arguing's for bored white kids who think it's cool & exciting to "debate" race with POC. I don't argue. I just let people know where I stand.

    At most, I am willing to concede that my choice of words have appeared combative, or "antagonistic" even

    Then why are you still arguing?

    but to then arrive at the conclusion that I am therefore an anti-black white worshipper is just absurd.

    I didn't. I deliberately and repetitively used the word "seem."

    For the record, this is how I normally appear in comments on all blogs and message boards

    You don't sound like that here.

    I maintain that there is nothing cynical about what I've said here.

    "As far as my cynicism goes, I am cynical – but not about black people specifically. I’m just cynical in general." - which is it, T?

    you're not getting a special treatment from me as a result of some hidden prejudice on my part

    Sweetie, I don't think you're even aware of your prejudice. And you're being very white about it. You're more upset about the fact the someone feels you come off a bit like a worshiper, rather than stopping and thinking that maybe - just maybe - you do, and it won't kill you to think so.

    Then again, maybe you're just a non-POC trolling. I get plenty of those.

    This blog is about POC unity, POC hurt, and POC anger. POC need to express all this in a safe space in order to be able to move on. Your first instinct, however, was to come in here worrying first and foremost about the welfare and future of white folks, while doubting the POC ability to get on with their lives without non-POC. That's the very sentiment POC - of all shades - come here to not have to deal with. So when someone claiming to be POC comes here talking like that, it raises red flags...whether you find it "absurd" or not.

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  41. "white people to be a part of the human progress "

    The only thing preventing white people from being a part of human progress is themselves. The information is out there and it is free. They do not need their hands held and catering to their every whim as if they are toddlers only enables them to not mature as human beings.

    As others have pointed out your comments here do tend to make sweeping negative generalizations towards both black Americans and Africans. While also routinely giving white people the benefit of the doubt.

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