Black Girls...You're Doing it Again

I've just come off a very disturbing discussion with my sistren from the Narrative about fans' treatment of back-up dancer Telisha Shaw (left).

Now, before I continue, understand that this a Korean Pop (or K-Pop)-related issue.  For those of you who aren't fans, and that happens to include me, allow me to reiterate: I'm not a fan of K-Pop.  I can watch Rain dance all day, every day, or fuck people up, but I'm not big on his music.  I could look at JYJ all day, every day, but again...aside for "Still in Love", I'm really not into their music.

I could watch Z:EA battle it out with any other boy band, but I've never been able to stomach any of their songs.  And after "Oh, Yeah" I slowly started to lose interest in MBLAQ as a group.

So when I say that this post is a K-Pop-related issue, I need you all to focus on the word "related."

JYJ is an insanely popular K-Pop group, even here in America.  When tickets go on sale, the lines stretch 'round the blocks.  And it's not just their Asian fans who come out; fans of all colors flock to see these guys, and their draw is quite understandable.  For one, they have their looks.

Two, they appeal to a diverse audience via their choice of dancers/entourage.

Three, and this is mainly directed at their black female fans, Telisha Shaw - curvy, solid, dark chocolatey Telisha Shaw - is not only perceived as some sort of favorite amongst the dancers, but rumored to be having some sort of relationship with the prettiest member of the group.

And let's not forget the mock K-Pop song Telisha released when the racist backlash against her, I'm guessing, started to get on her last nerve.

Now, from The Art of Movement: Telisha Shaw discussion:
"...their relationship or lack thereof is of no interest to me. The racist attacks happened before this video was ever created. It is not about me, you or anyone else agreeing with her actions. I am talking about her living and breathing as a Black woman causing these attacks. It is about the proximity she has to Junsu as a professional being the excuse used to come at her in such a hateful manner.

...We could go on all day about the merits or lack thereof. This post is about the racism Telisha has been dealing with before this video even came to be. Whether she gets w/Junsu or not is of no concern to me.

I am addressing the vicious attacks she has faced just for being Black. This concerns me. Not the video, Junsu or anything else. The video and its possible repercussions are of no interest to me because all 4 are adults capable of taking responsibility for their actions."

~ Lenoxave

"...believe it or not there are blk Cassies* who feel as though Telisha has somehow ruined the image of blk women in other eyes and that she represents us poorly which is a bunch of bs. I want to say something though, I have a bit of a gripe with other blk Cassies there is a lot of denial about what is really going on in this fandom with Telisha it seems as though the whole racism issue has been swept under the rug. I’m shocked when I hear them say they had no idea other fans were being racist towards Telisha I’m sorry but I’m not buying that . No, you knew and just didn’t want to deal with it because as they say “its just the way of the world” and “oh it happens” I don’t give a damn how common it is that does not mean it’s to be ignored and swept away like it doesn’t exist. I don’t know how many blk Cassies I’ve seen saying “oh I’m blk so it can’t be an issue with her race” umm you are seriously in denial if you think for a second all this ranting has nothing to do with her race and fyi just because you don’t have an issue with her race doesn’t mean others don’t."

~ Ari
(*FYI, "Cassies" is the nickname for the [sometimes] psycho fans of a few specific K-Pop groups, JYJ included.)

And now that you're all caught up and had your K-Pop 101, we can get to the point of my post.

Black girls, you should know better

You know how non-black fans react whenever black women show up in an originally non-black fandom.  You know that the backlash is imminent.  We saw it with Zoe Saldana/Uhura, and now we're seeing it with Angel Coulby.

Some of you told yourselves that because the male love interests in those fandoms are white, the backlash was to be expected...that that was "just a white thing."  Noooooooo, no, no, no, ladies.  Remove heads from sand, please.  Let's be real.  When a beautiful black woman - regardless of size, skintone, or artistic specialty - steps onto the scene, the racist backlash is imminent.

And when that happens, these black women who represent us in music, film, dance, and television - and who represent us positively - need us to have their backs.  These women are trailblazers, pioneers, soldiers on the front line making sure the rest of the world knows we are here, we are fine, and that they can sit in front of their mirrors and wish they were us.

Thus, fans who play the role of the Good Darkie help absolutely no one.  It not only makes racists feel comfortable and more assured with their racism, but actually encourages them to think they're not racist and that their vitriol is perfectly okay.

Black girls, stand your ground

I don't understand this desperation to fit in with online groups filled with people you don't know and who don't give a shit about you.  You want to be fans of K-Pop?  Fabulous.  Here are some fashion tips:

1) Get your shit togetherWe've been over this.  Have some pride, have some backbone, and know your shit.  You have no damn reason to be insecure in this scene.  These K-Pop artists cite hip-hop, R&B, reggae, and soul as their influences.  They are fans of Rihanna, Beyonce, Ciara, and Alicia Keyes.  They study the dance moves of Michael Jackson, Omarion, Chris Brown, and Usher.  They grew up watching Run-DMC, Ice Cube, Dr. Dre, Salt-n-Pepa, Wu-Tang Clan, Tupac, Biggie Smalls, Lil Kim, and Jay-Z.  Rapping, singing, and/or dancing in a video filled with beautiful, curvy, dark-skinned women has been a lifelong fantasy for many of these artists from Asia.  Now some of them, like Rain and JYJ, have broken free of their emasculating labels and their desexualizing "good boy" images, and they are finally getting to live out their motherfucking fantasies.

So feel free to tell these non-black haters that they better recognize the roots of modern K-Pop and one of the guiding lights of its success: Negroes...yet again.

Moving on....

2) Start your own goddamn blogs and forums.  I don't understand this meekness, this hesitance to stake your own claim and do your own thing.  Black people spearheaded the goddamn Civil Rights Movement in this country, so what is this sickening spinelessness I see?  If non-black women are trashing you and yours on their sites, build your own, goddamn it, and network with others.  For the love of the gods, blogs and forums are free.  Once you establish yours, you can ensure that visitors understand upfront that these are your safe spaces and if they want to contribute, they have have to some motherfucking respect for black women before opening up their mouths.

3) Remember the facts.  Fact: Telisha Shaw was chosen to tour with JYJ.  Fact: She signed a contract; she's being paid to dance with them.  Fact: She's there...because they want her there, and apparently their little back and forth tweeting has revealed the group is quite fond of her personally, not just professionally.  So what your non-black fellow "Cassies" (*retches*) are experiencing is classic denial and cognitive dissonance, and because of this, they've fallen back on one of the most despicable tactics of all time: blaming the woman.

Instead of simply choosing new idols to worship, they prefer to tell themselves that another abrasive Negro has invaded their turf and forced herself on "their" men.  That vanilla-scented bullshit ain't nothing new; this is yet another classic case of tantrum-throwing because yet more non-black men are openly showing interest in black women.

4) Let haters hate.  It's their motherfucking job.

The haterade is merely a sign that shit is going according to plan.  Telisha Shaw is a beautiful, dark-skinned sistah who's making money, touring the world, and representing her kinfolk well (now...if only she'd get cast as Storm...).  These cray-cray Cassie bitches can spew racist venom all they want, but it won't change the fact that every time they make their boyfriend sit through a K-Pop video, he's checking out the chocolate eye candy and wondering when he'll be so lucky as to date a woman like that.  He's probably calculating air fare in his head as we speak, wondering which country has the darkest chocolate and how long he'll be able to stay there.

Holla if you hear me.

Additional Reading

EBM™ (Evil Black Menace) Strikes Again, by Lenoxave


  1. Holla!

    Telisha Shaw as a young Storm? *slaps money down on the table* Bring it ON!

  2. Telisha Shaw as STORM!!!!

    OMG!!!! I was thinking the same thing.

    Regarding the rest of the post:

    [passes the collection plate, does the Holy Ghost dance, and executes a series of black flips down the aisles, does a pinwheel spin in the pulpit. Moonwalks throughout the choir pew. ]

    WELLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TESTIFY!!!!!!

  3. Holla! Thanks for the follow up Ankh. These excuse making apologists are getting on my last nerve. Folks showing up on the thread over at the Narrative worried about whether the video would blow her chances w/Junsu or concerned about what Korea will think. Are you fucking kidding me?

    Thanks for citing my repeated statements about not giving a double d fuck about the video or Junsu. This mess is about Telisha. Whether it's K Pop or any other genre, the racism needs to be addressed.

    I especially agree w/your point about K Pop not existing if wasn't for us Negroes. Word! I follow Rain, JYJ and Se7en. Period. At the old spot, we briefly addressed the bullshit his fans leveled at Kim for being in his video (with his damn approval).

    It seems the artists who interest me in K Pop are always subjects of controversy, because they roll hard, are open in their love/respect for Black Folk and ain't afraid to show it.

    A little trip down memory lane with a "Girls" Teaser featuring Se7en and L'il Kim.

    Se7en & Kim

  4. Wow! K,

    I am in no way familiar with K-pop, but thank you for the primer on what it is and this racist reaction to a beautiful black woman.

    Non-black women work and profit from the hierarchy of beauty. Historically, society relegated black women to the lowest rung of this hierarchy...even though black women have not always accepted society's designation, much to the annoyance of said society.

    Asian women were once viewed as unattractive and less than feminine, but strategically used their appeal to some non-Asian men to take that appeal mainstream. Black women are doing the same thing up and down the socio-economic column. And that is why there is such a backlash....well that and the FLOTUS.


  5. Do you think if we started a petition for her to be storm it would happen? I could so see it lol

  6. I saw the same thing with Justin Bieber, when he had POC girls as love interests in a couple of his videos. Now, I don't give a hoot about Bieber, but I did pay attention to his fans' behaviours. Sweet Jesus on the cross, the things some of those 'fans' wrote about those girls. 2 little videos, and they got bent out of shape.

  7. Telisha for Storm!!!! My god her body would look great in the costume!!

  8. drops a ten dollar bill in the collection plate and hits the aisle with this ,this ,and this as I walk out with hands in the air like a church usher. yes mam yes mam

  9. not a K-pop fan but I definitely get what you are talking about. These fans of the genres that you mentioned don't want to see "their man stolen" by a woman especially if she is black that is like a triple no no to them

  10. Two Asian women who are fans discuss it:

    A little over halfway through they defend Talisha and make a lot of the same points I saw made in the other blog comments. It was refreshing to hear non-black (particularly Asian) women defend Telisha with a logical (and accurate) viewpoint.

    I'm more of a Se7en fan myself...

  11. Do you think if we started a petition for her to be storm it would happen?

    I'd sign and promote the hell out of that shit.

    Telisha for Storm!!!! My god her body would look great in the costume!!

    Indeed it would!

    I'm more of a Se7en fan myself...

    Black women (not girls) usually tend to be. For example, I myself am a Se7en fan. That's a grown-ass man right there.

  12. I'm more of a Se7en fan myself...

    Black women (not girls) usually tend to be. For example, I myself am a Se7en fan. That's a grown-ass man right there.

    @ Ankh

    Sorry, but I'm gonna have to disagree with that because I stumbled across Se7en when I was young girl that was back in my middle school years. And now that I'm 19 gonna on 20 this month I stilll love me some passionate Se7en.

  13. You did read the words "usually tend to be," right?

  14. @ The Girl

    You should post this one the Narrative post as well.

  15. You did read the words "usually tend to be," right?

    @ Ankh

    Yeah, I read it, but the whole "(not girls)" thing through me off.

  16. I hope you don't mind me stumbling my way into your home here from the narrative but I just wanted to completely co-sign.

    I mean I get the urge to align yourself with majority ideologies when your so clearly in the minority, see my embarrassing adolescence lying, cheating, begging, pleading, doing anything to not be seen as 'that black girl' But I was 12 and scared and so full of internalized self-hate that eventually I got sick off it and purged it. A lot of these women need to make that journey.

    I get so frustrated because a lot of black women in kpop fandom seem have 'special snowflake disorder' so frequently and so publicly. We are not some special butterflies because we listen to kpop or because we like rock or whatever subculture, we 3 dimensional human beings like all black women, all humans. *insert stereotyped black name* who lives in the hood, is sometimes loud and rocks a colored weave is not a stereotype. She is a multidimensional being and those are not the only four things that make up her being. And when we act like we are so much different and better than thoooooooseeee black women all were doing is giving racist fodder for their racism. The more these black women attempt to separate themselves from other black women the more they support the false narrative of the black community as a monolith.

    Sometimes I really feel like kpop can exacerbate the internalized issues that some black women participating in its fandom have. (this is not to say all black women in kpop because I feel like there quite a few of us who dont shirk in the face of racism by kpop artists and other fans) I see alot of younger black fans asorbing this narrative about 'pure, pale skin' and pursuing asian whitening products etc. And then these fans quickly are told it is worse to possibly hurt oppas feelings by calling him racist than be hurt by the fact oppa wore blackface and filmed a faux-watermelon eating commercial.

    Sorry about leaving a novel, I've been thinking a lot about these issues lately and haven't really found a space in fandom to discuss them. I hope it wasn't to convoluted, excellent article!

  17. @K,

    Don't forget. Telisha broke the cardinal rule. She's supposed to take racism with a smile and "rise above." Remember. 10 Conversations: She committed #4:

  18. " I see a lot of younger black fans absorbing thisnarrative about" pure,pale skin and pursuing Asian whitening products etc."

    I'm really amazed about this. I mean ,it's awful and very frightening.The way some of those fangirls carry on you would think that they are in a cult. As a proud African-American woman, it's very disheartening to read about some of those Black Cassies. It's like they are under hypnosis. It's bad enough that the non-Black ones are out of their minds,but it bugs me even more that some of the Black ones are humiliating themselves like that.Why bother to join clubs that excludes you? Some of those girls really need help.

    Telisha Shaw as Storm? Yes, she would be an excellent choice to play her. Initially, I would have liked to see Iman play that role because she comes closest to looking like the actual character and she's from East Africa,but she's too old to play the role and if I',m not mistaken, she turned down the role on the first go round.

    Telisha has that serious look about her like Storm. She has the experience and it would be good to see her play her role. For all that Telisha is going through, I'm hoping that something really big comes her way. I'm also hoping that the same be that way for JYJ and Junho. They all deserve better than what they are getting.

  19. Initially, I would have liked to see Iman play that role

    As did we all, but alas...

    Maybe she could play an older Storm in visions of the future or something.

  20. I actually found this post through a link that went to our site, and in taking the time to read your post I have to co-sign this emphatically. I just want to correct The Girl In Question's statement, my co-host Noelle is Asian, but I'm black myself

  21. Wow. The more I read on this, the more I'm reluctant to get deeply involved into fandom - ANY fandom*. I think I'll just hang out on the periphery.

    *Too many nut-cases about.

  22. I'm going to read the comments in a minute but i had to say this. This post made me find ms shaw on twitter so I can show some support. These racist hoes are hating so hard. They're not even trying to pretend. Ulll! So mad right now. Where is this MB so i can join and support her. If these black fans are too cowardly to do it then I will. i don't even like k pop like all that but this woman is on her game and they are mad because a black woman is on top. ULL so mad right now.

  23. Hmm. I lived in Korea briefly a good while ago and I must say, I was always ambivalent about most K pop (though I did listen to some J pop). Too tepid, derivative and juvenile for my tastes, while as a cultural outsider the cultish workings of the idol industry and their seemingly crazed fan bases mystified me.

    I also think the fact that I mainly came into contact with middle to upper class Koreans who liked sanitised K pop that chanelled cheesy, godawful white boy bands like Nsync and the Back Street Boys - yet these same listeners had no idea that Nsync and others were channelling any number of black and r n b groups used to make me roll my eyes.

    Between that and such enlightened comments that: "Maybe Usher is a bit more talented but Justin Timberlake is much better looking" and "Sarah Vaughn has such a beautiful voice but she was such an ugly woman" made it easier for me to just sigh and leave them to their predilection for whiteness.

    If K pop is at a point where it is willing to come into contact with actual black r n' b, rather than the Pat Boone/N Sync variant of it, then cool.

  24. I'm so glad I found this blog and the Blasian narrative. It gives me something to educate myself with while on summer vacation. Thank you! On to the comment..... Fangirls are ridiculous, 99% of the time. Instead of these black k-pop fans sitting back and letting people talk trash about a fellow black woman, they need to speak up and tell them the truth. Black people are the bomb! It makes me laugh, when I watch k pop videos( i am a listener of k pop) and I see all the similarities to American, and specifically Black music. Their clothing style, "swagger"(I hate this word, honestly), beats, and lyrics suggest that they are heavily influenced by OUR culture and people. Why can't non-blacks understand this? I feel as if I'm reliving my grandfather's conversations about elvis being a thief. Its funny that they hate on Telisha because she's black and they know that if it looks like the singer in question is attracted to her, then he likes the way she looks. To think that their beloved kpop star finds a black woman attractive is devastating because they can never be her. So they attack her character and pull the racist BS card because it's the typical way out. In the end, we should always support women of color who represent positivity. Not what mainstream media likes to portray.

  25. Im sorry but Black Women are taking over, I've notice a lot of Kpop & Jpop stars are checking for black woman and want them on stage side by side.

    We taking over, 1 Asian at a time .. haha

  26. I'm looving the Katt Williams bit. I must say those K-Pop fans must be soo angry after using all of those whitening creams only to find out that their favorite pop-stars favor black women. So ironic.

  27. Preach!!! I only dabble in the k-pop/j-pop field but I find that a lot of these forums welcome blacks as long as they keep their quiet about racism. I kept myself out of the forum game not to deal with that ish. Usually how it goes is these Cassies bash on this woman and it goes into race. Black Cassies are expected to show support or stfu and gtfo. The second a sista stands up for herself, her race or her fellow black women she gets branded a crazy Negro wench. They conveniently forget that JYJ pays Telisha to dance and that, *gasp*, they are three grown ass men who can protect and speak for themselves.

    My questions to the haters: if Telisha is pushing herself on these men so aggressively, her attentions are so unwanted, and she's starting all this drama, why haven't they spoken against her or fired her yet? Why are they still cool and/or associating with each other?


    Let these chicks sip the haterade, T's still getting money at the end of the day.

  28. ***comment moderation***

    @ "CC"

    Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

    There has be a definite racist backlash against Telisha Shaw from non-black fans. Some of you crazy Cassies - and some of you ARE crazy - have gone off your rockers about the mere fact this woman exists. I had to delete trolls off the Blasian Narrative because they didn't like people sticking up for this woman.

    It's called reality, CC - suck it up and deal.

    Furthermore, you're what we call an idiot troll. Go learn the actual definition of racism before you touch your keyboard.

  29. "better recognize the roots"
    TELL IT!

  30. Have you guys seen this? korea really needs to wake up!


    As a black woman living in Japan and also a k-pop fan I couldn't agree more. I walk around proud with my head held up high here. And I do not stand for racism, even in my most precious favorite k-pop groups. Black k-pop fans need to stand together and defend ourselves!!

  32. Well said! She is a beautiful woman and I'm glad to see her and the boys enjoying each other's company professionally and privately.
    Can I be a white ally in this fight?