How FlashForward Went and Fucked Itself, Part II

Let's get something straight. Zoey Andata is not an emasculating bitch, and Demetri Noh is not a "bottom".  If I were slated to marry John Cho and I found out he was going to die...fuck people's egos, fuck their feelings, fuck e'rybody - you best believe this pygmy would be making damn sure he made it to the church on time!

So let's get started with the first episode since the premiere of Season 1, Part 2.

"Blowback"

Survey says...abysmal failure.  The writing was drab, the acting wooden, and like I said above, I don't appreciate the writers' ridiculous portrayal of Demetri and Zoey.  She just pops into be "confrontational" (yeah, a direct quote) and then vanishes so we can Demetri and Janis - yes, the white lesbian - having "chemistry".  Like I don't see where this is going.

"Better Angels"

Gotta have black men dying needlessly.  Also, it's great to know that African unity and peace are perfectly expendable when whites are writing a story.  Especially when it's prevented because Simon - who rightfully needs killed - gets saved because one black man shot another.

Also good to know that after accepting his fiancee's passionate plea to save his life, Demetri's the type of guy to go out and "offer" to bang another woman.  Great writing, guys.  This is just the stuff to keep POC paying for cable and watching your shit.  Loving the whole "black girl loves her Asian fiancee who wants to tap a white chick who - surprise, surprise - rejects him" part.  Great judgment, guys.

"Queen Sacrifice"

Seriously?  Janis is the back-stabbing mole?  I knew whoever was Judas would be one of the "Other" people.  Damn...predictable much?

By the way, folks, I need to mention that the exceptional Jack Davenport...continues to be exceptional.  All you wannabe-thespians, take some notes.  No matter how shitty the dialogue or mediocre the plot, he somehow consistently manages to not come off as a dipshit.

Let No Man Tear Asunder

Al Gough makes a beautiful cameo appearance in a flashback.  This reminds me...Al Gough learns he is going to accidentally kill a woman.  He kills himself to change that future.  Mark Benford learns he's going to kill Demetri and he doesn't take a swan dive off a building...'cause why?

Demetri and Zoey are back (it's about damn time).  There's more smoochies and all that good stuff, but...when do we get to see them get nekkid?  I'll admit - I'm hangin' on to see them get nekkid, and I don't mean like this...this scene was a bit too "pure" for me, if you catch my drift.

This was a very "get to the point" episode, which was quite annoying.

But Demetri lived after all, and it ended with D/Z kisses.  On the upside, we do get to see a lot of those.

In the meantime, FlashForward is a slowly sinking ship and Mark Benford is at the helm.

Comments

  1. I know Dem didn't fuck Janis because John Cho doesn't believe it. That taxi scene spoke volumes. He wanted to apologize for *not* helping to make her dreams come true.

    As for Zoey... at this stage of my life I can't even go there because I would probably create new terms that have never before existed in language... When I read the shit heaped upon Gabriel Union and her character, my blood pressure sky-rockets and I'm in damned good health.

    After Al Gough (he was fine, wasn't he?), Zoey and Dem are the only reason I'm illegally downloading that sorry-assed show.

    If anyone came after my man, I would demonstrate the full range of my ability to be confrontational. Zoey was too nice to that Alda woman because I would have beaten that bitch within a centimeter of her life until she told me what I needed to know to save his life.

    Like I said... I need to step back because in my current state I can't add anything productive to this conversation.

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  2. I read and comment (rarely) over at Television Without Pity, and after the "how they met" part of one of the last few episodes I commented that I was tired of Zoe/Gabrielle being the "mean Black girl" stereotype all over again. I generally don't like couples where one person seems to have no qualities that would attract the other person (not that I think Zoe doesn't have good qualities, but they're trying really hard to get us to dislike her), so there's this good cop/bad cop dynamic that seems dysfunctional at best.

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  3. I'm beginning to think they're trying to get us to dislike her as well.

    People are talking shit about Gabrielle? By all means...send me links.

    *blink* Two can play that game.

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  4. In the future, I'll start collecting the links. A good place to start would definitely be over at Television Without Pity because people usually cut/paste comments from over there and run with them. I'm on a quasi-vacation now so I'm using my own laptop.

    http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showforum=1153

    Maybe the stupid comment about Gabrielle being too "big" for John Cho is included. It must be in Dem's thread because they didn't deem Zoey worthy to have one of her own.

    I know this much. They aren't going to make *me* dislike Zoey or Gabrielle!

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  5. Having the rarer-than-Kryptonite BW/AM pairing alone made this show seem interesting to me, that only multiplied when I found out it was Gabrielle Union and John Cho. Hot damn, it's as if God drafted that just for me. But it looks like God walked away from the computer and Satan went and messed with the rest of the script. >:| I haven't brought myself to watch it because the 1st episode opened with the boring ass life of white people, and hearing about how that's the 'main focus' of the show, I don't know if I can stand to see it. I'll just watch Dem/Zoe clips on youtube for now.

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  6. @ Jasmin,

    I know Dem didn't fuck Janis because John Cho doesn't believe it. That taxi scene spoke volumes. He wanted to apologize for *not* helping to make her dreams come true.

    I hope so. And if Zoey finds out that he ever even offered at all...God help us.

    I hope Cho and Union are either fighting their way out of their contracts or giving the writers some fever. This show is starting to make my corneas itch.

    @ hateya,

    Zoey was too nice to that Alda woman because I would have beaten that bitch within a centimeter of her life until she told me what I needed to know to save his life.

    Co-sign.

    Like I said... I need to step back because in my current state I can't add anything productive to this conversation.

    Girl, let it out.

    Maybe the stupid comment about Gabrielle being too "big" for John Cho is included. It must be in Dem's thread because they didn't deem Zoey worthy to have one of her own.

    Typical, typical. First off, Cho towers over Union, especially when she's not in heels. Secondly, she has a flat stomach and small waist - her ass is what's big...just as the gods intended.

    All haters can go to hell. Thanks for the link; off to check it out.

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  7. @ Rochelle,

    Having the rarer-than-Kryptonite BW/AM pairing alone made this show seem interesting to me, that only multiplied when I found out it was Gabrielle Union and John Cho. Hot damn, it's as if God drafted that just for me.

    I know!!!

    But it looks like God walked away from the computer and Satan went and messed with the rest of the script.

    I KNOW!!!

    What the hell happened? I may need contacts, but I'm not blind. Something horrible went down when the creators left - worse than they're letting on - because the original regime got D/Z nekkid and in...what, the second week? And they didn't keep trying to phase Zoey out either; the fans were able to focus on her as much as they did Demetri. NOW they're hacking her off fanfic character lists, "forgetting" to start threads about her...WTF??????

    The writers know most fans will take their queue from them. So what's with settin' Zoey up like this?

    (By the way, I love the D/Z flashback which ends with Demetri saying hell no to going out with Zoey, and the very next scene cuts to him kissing on her shoulders, telling her she's beautiful, and asking her to marry him all over again - and even singing "Islands in the Stream" later on!)

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  8. @ hateya,

    Followed that link and...wow.

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  9. Hateya and Moi,

    Oh, I was ready to go off when people were saying it was "nice" that Dem offered to impregnate Janis. In what kind of alternate reality is it OK for an engaged man to become some other woman's baby daddy, especially without consulting his fiance? Who would be OK with that in real life? Over at TWoP, I was getting the vibe that Zoe's feelings didn't matter (or were less important than Janis' need for a baby, despite the fact that she has no partner and she's a flippin' FBI agent), and I was wondering how many people would say that if Janis was with Dem and Zoe was trying to have his baby illegitimately.

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  10. Oh, I was ready to go off when people were saying it was "nice" that Dem offered to impregnate Janis. In what kind of alternate reality is it OK for an engaged man to become some other woman's baby daddy, especially without consulting his fiance?

    Apparently, in our reality.

    Who would be OK with that in real life? Over at TWoP, I was getting the vibe that Zoe's feelings didn't matter (or were less important than Janis' need for a baby, despite the fact that she has no partner and she's a flippin' FBI agent)

    Ah yes...black women don't have feelings. Oh, we do...but they're irrelevant.

    ...and I was wondering how many people would say that if Janis was with Dem and Zoe was trying to have his baby illegitimately.

    Absolutely not. She'd be that "triflin' black ho" and if she were a lesbian to...whoo, all the tolerance people have shown Janis would go right out the window.

    Excellent points, Jasmin, as usual.

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  11. Moi,

    Well you know that a Black woman should thank her lucky stars if she can even get a man, let alone one who a) dates her exclusively and b) would deign to marry her! Zoe should've settled for being his baby mama, because you know that's how we do.

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  12. @ Jasmin,

    You are not well!!!! LMAO!!!

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  13. Damn! I've fallen behind on FlashForward because of school (the last episode I saw was Zoey taking charge instead of sitting on her hands waiting for answers), but with everything you all are saying about how they're treating them, I don't think I want to go back. And Demitri offered to father Janis' baby?! A lot of people at TWOP were hoping for that shit (with the excuse that Zoey should understand because Demitri and Janis are close friends), but I said (to myself) that I'd be pissed if that ever happened. I can't believe they went there. And of course, if it wasn't for nice White Janis, Demitri would have ruined his relationship. But of course Zoey would've been the one made to look bad.

    @Moi,

    I totally forgot that the original show runners left. And Blowback was the first episode Zoey was in that was written by the new heads in charge. And she was confrontational. Hmm. She admitted that she was scared at the end, and she also rightly said that he'd be doing the same thing if it was her life in danger, but they were pushing. And apparently they're still pushing. I honestly now hope this show gets cancelled. With Mark being the lead, I don't think they'll care how Demitri and Zoey come off.

    Wasn't John Cho excited about the AM/BW pairing? I thought I read that in an interview posted on Racialicious.

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  14. You don't want to watch this shit - it has gotten painful.

    Wasn't John Cho excited about the AM/BW pairing? I thought I read that in an interview posted on Racialicious.

    Yes, he was. Fucking everyone was. This is the disaster that ensues whenever the wrong regime takes over.

    It's not going to be cancelled. It's just going to be a white show. Just as the beautiful Kal Penn eventually got phased into the background on "House" - all the POC - notice Ealy is even around anymore - will get phased back into scenery. Already Zoey practically no longer exists. And when they make [white] fans hate her enough, the writers will use it as an excuse to kick Gabrielle Union off the show.

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  15. @Moi

    "It's just going to be a white show."

    When it does, my black ass will be GONE, GONE, GONE!

    "Secondly, she has a flat stomach and small waist - her ass is what's big...just as the gods intended."

    That's exactly what my husband said. No lie. In fact, he can't imagine a scenario where Dem could ever got a woman as HOT and as INTELLIGENT as Zoey in reality! I didn't even get mad that he implied Gabrielle was hotter than me because she *is.* I'm sure at some point I might have dabbled on the other side for her!

    Joking aside, I actually understood what he was trying to say. Black women, like all other women, as *you* already know, have been conditioned to think of Asian men as "lesser" in much the same way American Asian men have been conditioned to think that way about us.

    Janis. If Dem did decided to service her instead of suffering from insomnia and opting to play D. Gibbons' VHS tape, Zoey has my permission to kill that bitch dead.

    If they put Gabrielle out of work then, I'll send her check. I mean this!

    I'll be back later to lift my spirits, sisters!

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  16. @ everyone who posts at TWOP....

    I've put in a request to begin a Zoey Andata thread. Come back me up. My comment is the most recent one:

    http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3189250&st=15&gopid=12858894&#entry12858894

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  17. Whoa, whoa, whoa...now people are trying to claim she's unattractive? Are they blind?

    It bugs me when White people assume a)that they have some kind of dominion over deciding who's attractive and who's not and b) that there's "White attractiveness" (which is the only legitimate one) and then "Other attractiveness", for the rest of us (because once White people deem someone ugly, the only people who could possibly disagree are non-White). My boyfriend loves Gabrielle Union--he would be pissed to read this stuff--and he's as White (well, and Jewish) as they come. It'd be interesting to know how much of this comes from White women vs. White men--I know plenty who find her gorgeous, and not in that stupid "Hot for a Black girl" way.

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  18. Jasmin,

    Where are they saying? Link please.

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  19. I just attempted to post a comment and I'm not sure if it went through, so I'll check back and see if it did later. :-)

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  20. Jasmin,

    LOL - I wonder of the "delays" and "difficulties" are deliberate.

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  21. Aw, it didn't make it! That's ok, I'll retype:

    If you check out the 3rd and 4th page I think of the Demetri thread (I linked it before, but maybe that's what messed it up), you will see a reference to GU being taller than JC and support for Demetri + Janis from damn near the beginning of the series.

    What kills me is that any other time, the pairing of a lesbian woman with a man is considered an offensive trope that writers use to show that women can't really be gay, they just need a good ________. But when it comes to a White lesbian woman (and Janis is "super gay) vs. a Black straight one, the lesbian woman is a better match for the straight man? The hell?

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  22. But when it comes to a White lesbian woman (and Janis is "super gay) vs. a Black straight one, the lesbian woman is a better match for the straight man? The hell?

    Figment of your imagination, Jasmin. It's 2010, remember? We're in a "post-racial" society.

    /sarcasm

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  23. What kills me is that any other time, the pairing of a lesbian woman with a man is considered an offensive trope that writers use to show that women can't really be gay, they just need a good ________. But when it comes to a White lesbian woman (and Janis is "super gay) vs. a Black straight one, the lesbian woman is a better match for the straight man? The hell?

    Yup. These types of things just show off that White people are really so arrogant as to think that any given white fe/male is a much better partner than a POC. Reminds me of the assholes who hated on Spock/Uhura and thought (white woman)Chapel would have been a better partner for Spock. Gee I wonder why >:|

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  24. And what's fucked is that WP often ask why POC keep pointing this stuff out...without ever stopping to ask, "Why does it happen so much?"

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  25. It pains me that WP have such selective memory and so each incident is always an 'isolated incident', no matter how often it happens.

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